SofA Deck to Beat: BW Tokes
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SofA Deck to Beat: BW Tokes
I'm bored as usual so I decided to look at Manuel Bucher's BW tokes and change it slightly... Yeah, it looks pretty shitty but I'll probably play it tomorrow since it's unsanctioned.
BW Bird Droppings
4 Cloudgoat Ranger
4 Kitchen Finks
3 Tidehollow Sculler
3 Ajani Goldmane
2 Elspeth, Khight-Errant
4 Bitterblossom
3 Condemn
2 Loxodon Warhammer
3 Terror
4 Spectral Procession
4 Thoughtseize
4 Caves of Koilos
4 Fetid Heath
2 Forbidden Watchtower (this and 2 plains should be Windbrisk Heights but I don't have them)
4 Mutavault
4 Plains
4 Reflecting Pool
4 Swamp
SB:
4 Burrenton Forge-Tender
1 Condemn
3 Gravepact
1 Liliana Vess
1 Loxodon Warhammer
1 Puppeteer Clique
1 Tidehollow Sculler
3 Windborn Muse
BW Bird Droppings
4 Cloudgoat Ranger
4 Kitchen Finks
3 Tidehollow Sculler
3 Ajani Goldmane
2 Elspeth, Khight-Errant
4 Bitterblossom
3 Condemn
2 Loxodon Warhammer
3 Terror
4 Spectral Procession
4 Thoughtseize
4 Caves of Koilos
4 Fetid Heath
2 Forbidden Watchtower (this and 2 plains should be Windbrisk Heights but I don't have them)
4 Mutavault
4 Plains
4 Reflecting Pool
4 Swamp
SB:
4 Burrenton Forge-Tender
1 Condemn
3 Gravepact
1 Liliana Vess
1 Loxodon Warhammer
1 Puppeteer Clique
1 Tidehollow Sculler
3 Windborn Muse
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Re: SofA Deck to Beat: BW Tokes
Condemn is much worse than Unmake or whatever you changed it from. Windbrisk Heights is pretty important and if you discount the deck after playing without them you're making a mistake.
Re: SofA Deck to Beat: BW Tokes
I figured as much. I can simply proxy them up to test. I figured since Condemn is cheaper and gets rid of CC then it would be more valuable than Unmake. The original SB has 3 Condemn. Yeah, I'll just test it as Bucher has it!
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Re: SofA Deck to Beat: BW Tokes
I'll most likely add 3 Glorious Anthem MD to boost the threat level of my tokens and make it harder for enchantment hate. I saw a Jap list that played only 2 Windbrisk Heights and 2 Ajani. I'll probably adopt a few things from that list since I don't have a playset of Heights or Ajani.
Nico's Wilde Kerle by Manuel Bucher
4 Cloudgoat Ranger
4 Kitchen Finks
3 Tidehollow Sculler
3 Ajani Goldmane
2 Elspeth, Knight-Errant (I can see this going ultimate quite often but is it necessary?)
4 Bitterblossom
4 Spectral Procession
3 Terror
4 Thoughtseize
3 Unmake
4 Caves of Koilos
4 Fetid Heath
4 Mutavault
2 Plains
4 Swamp
4 Reflecting Pool
4 Windbrisk Heights
SB:
3 Condemn
1 Puppeteer Clique
4 Burrenton Forge-Tender
2 Windborn Muse (I like this card)
1 Tidehollow Sculler
1 Liliana Vess (Always sexy)
3 Grave Pact (Is this better than Wrath?)
Jap list
1 Cloudgoat Ranger (why only 1?)
4 Kitchen Finks
2 Murderous Redcap (Is he necessary? Is a body that gets pumped up and has synergy with Ajani)
4 Tidehollow Sculler
2 Ajani Goldmane (why only 2 with no card drawing engine?)
4 Bitterblossom
3 Glorious Anthem
3 Oblivion Ring
2 Profane Command (interesting)
4 Spectral Procession
4 Thoughtseize
3 Unmake
4 Caves of Koilos
3 Fetid Heath (3? Huh?)
2 Mutavault (Does 4 mess with the mana base?)
4 Plains
3 Reflecting Pool
4 Swamp
1 Vivid Marsh (Could this be another Meadow to help facilitate Story Circle?)
1 Vivid Meadow
2 Windbrisk Heights
SB:
3 Burrenton Forge-Tender
3 Mind Shatter
3 Story Circle (I like this!)
3 Wispmare
3 Wrath of God (I don't know about this... will out attrition with Bitterblossom though)
I would like a Warhammer or 2 in the list.
I honestly don't have an opinion on which list is better. I'll have to try both iterations to get a feel for what I prefer or even if this deck is really a force or not. Any opinions and suggestions would be most welcome.
Ben or anyone with access to Starcity Premium, would you please post Bucher's article or PM it to me? Thanks!
Nico's Wilde Kerle by Manuel Bucher
4 Cloudgoat Ranger
4 Kitchen Finks
3 Tidehollow Sculler
3 Ajani Goldmane
2 Elspeth, Knight-Errant (I can see this going ultimate quite often but is it necessary?)
4 Bitterblossom
4 Spectral Procession
3 Terror
4 Thoughtseize
3 Unmake
4 Caves of Koilos
4 Fetid Heath
4 Mutavault
2 Plains
4 Swamp
4 Reflecting Pool
4 Windbrisk Heights
SB:
3 Condemn
1 Puppeteer Clique
4 Burrenton Forge-Tender
2 Windborn Muse (I like this card)
1 Tidehollow Sculler
1 Liliana Vess (Always sexy)
3 Grave Pact (Is this better than Wrath?)
Jap list
1 Cloudgoat Ranger (why only 1?)
4 Kitchen Finks
2 Murderous Redcap (Is he necessary? Is a body that gets pumped up and has synergy with Ajani)
4 Tidehollow Sculler
2 Ajani Goldmane (why only 2 with no card drawing engine?)
4 Bitterblossom
3 Glorious Anthem
3 Oblivion Ring
2 Profane Command (interesting)
4 Spectral Procession
4 Thoughtseize
3 Unmake
4 Caves of Koilos
3 Fetid Heath (3? Huh?)
2 Mutavault (Does 4 mess with the mana base?)
4 Plains
3 Reflecting Pool
4 Swamp
1 Vivid Marsh (Could this be another Meadow to help facilitate Story Circle?)
1 Vivid Meadow
2 Windbrisk Heights
SB:
3 Burrenton Forge-Tender
3 Mind Shatter
3 Story Circle (I like this!)
3 Wispmare
3 Wrath of God (I don't know about this... will out attrition with Bitterblossom though)
I would like a Warhammer or 2 in the list.
I honestly don't have an opinion on which list is better. I'll have to try both iterations to get a feel for what I prefer or even if this deck is really a force or not. Any opinions and suggestions would be most welcome.
Ben or anyone with access to Starcity Premium, would you please post Bucher's article or PM it to me? Thanks!
Last edited by Solomon on Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:23 am; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : Article Request)
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Re: SofA Deck to Beat: BW Tokes
I've modified my own list based off of the last 2 lists and new ones from Worlds. So far it's pretty good but I still need a couple of Ajani Goldmane's! Anybody have some? I also need 4 Soul Warden(X ed. or Stronghold). I find the Soul Warden tech really funny because I built a Kiddie deck using 3 Soul and 3 Essence Warden months ago! It looks like some of my janky tech is finally coming around? I'm probably going to run some Warhammer md since I've been advocating that equipment since Jitte rotated.
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Re: SofA Deck to Beat: BW Tokes
Here is the latest version and one that I feel has game vs. anything...
B/W Tokens by Solomon
4 Cloudgoat Ranger
4 Kitchen Finks
3 Tidehollow Sculler
3 Ajani Goldmane
2 Elspeth, Knight
4 Bitterblossom
2 Oblivion Ring
4 Spectral Procession
3 Terror
4 Thoughtseize
3 Unmake
4 Caves of Koilos
3 Fetid Heath
2 Mutavault
4 Plains
4 Swamp
3 Reflecting Pool
1 Vivid Meadow
3 Windbrisk Heights
SB:
3 Burrenton Forge
2 Mind Shatter
3 Soul Warden
3 Story Circle
1 Tidehollow Sculler
3 Wispmare
B/W Tokens by Solomon
4 Cloudgoat Ranger
4 Kitchen Finks
3 Tidehollow Sculler
3 Ajani Goldmane
2 Elspeth, Knight
4 Bitterblossom
2 Oblivion Ring
4 Spectral Procession
3 Terror
4 Thoughtseize
3 Unmake
4 Caves of Koilos
3 Fetid Heath
2 Mutavault
4 Plains
4 Swamp
3 Reflecting Pool
1 Vivid Meadow
3 Windbrisk Heights
SB:
3 Burrenton Forge
2 Mind Shatter
3 Soul Warden
3 Story Circle
1 Tidehollow Sculler
3 Wispmare
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Re: SofA Deck to Beat: BW Tokes
I've been trying LSV's version with Knight of Meadowgrain, FOD and Glorius Anthem. It's pretty damned good and will be better when I make the definitive SB.
4 Arcane Sanctum
4 Caves of Koilos
4 Fetid Heath
3 Mutavault
2 Plains
4 Reflecting Pool
4 Windbrisk Heights
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25 lands
4 Cloudgoat Ranger
3 Figure of Destiny
4 Knight of Meadowgrain
4 Tidehollow Sculler
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15 creatures
2 Ajani Goldmane (+1)
4 Bitterblossom
4 Glorious Anthem (-1 because of necessity)
4 Spectral Procession
4 Terror
2 Thoughtseize
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20 other spells
Sideboard
2 Burrenton Forge-Tender
2 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
3 Grave Pact
2 Mind Shatter
1 Thoughtseize
3 Wispmare
2 Wrath of God
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I'm also messing with my BW Rev deck and I'll post a similiar list that did well at Worlds...
4 Arcane Sanctum
4 Caves of Koilos
4 Fetid Heath
3 Mutavault
2 Plains
4 Reflecting Pool
4 Windbrisk Heights
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25 lands
4 Cloudgoat Ranger
3 Figure of Destiny
4 Knight of Meadowgrain
4 Tidehollow Sculler
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15 creatures
2 Ajani Goldmane (+1)
4 Bitterblossom
4 Glorious Anthem (-1 because of necessity)
4 Spectral Procession
4 Terror
2 Thoughtseize
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20 other spells
Sideboard
2 Burrenton Forge-Tender
2 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
3 Grave Pact
2 Mind Shatter
1 Thoughtseize
3 Wispmare
2 Wrath of God
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I'm also messing with my BW Rev deck and I'll post a similiar list that did well at Worlds...
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Re: SofA Deck to Beat: BW Tokes
It's a little strange to be playing Figures and not be able to find room for Ranger of Eos, but I sort of understand actually. Note how hard it is to cast Thoughtseize on turn one. Unsurprisingly, this looks like one of the better BW Tokes lists I've seen.
Re: SofA Deck to Beat: BW Tokes
I started experimenting with Path to Exile MD along with 3 Lapse of Certainty in place of Ajani and Elspeth. It seems to work well. I'm also trying the new SB cards like the enchantment that protects your critters from non-combat damage. So far so good.
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Re: SofA Deck to Beat: BW Tokes
I got so carried away with trying to fit mark of asylum into a b/u deck that i totally forgot how good it could be in an actual white deck..
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Re: SofA Deck to Beat: BW Tokes
It depends on how many Cloudthreshers and Fallouts vs Wraths and Infest the 5cc decks play, but I think I'd rather have an Elspeth, Mind Shatter, or certainly Head Games. I'm not sure you keep mana open often enough for Lapse to be good. Postboard when you anticipate certain things, possibly.
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