realmrazer.dec

figured id let you people (and i mean this in the most derogatory way) know what my deck looked like.
but before i do that i need to address the issue that plaugue this deck. the haters. chuck is the biggest one followed by jesse then tony and then the rest of the multi colored control players. you hate this rogue deck cause it beats you. plain and simple. you have even gone as far as to dedicate sideboard to it. which is fine but unrecomended for a big tournament like states. there will be only one to three of this deck in a 80 plus man tournament. you say the deck is stupid and that i shouldnt run it. but why fix what isnt broken. if my record of winning against control remains solid why stop playing it in a control enviroment. without further ado i give you the much hated realmrazer.dec

4 bloom tender
4 realm razer
4 woolly thoctar
4 figure of destiny
2 ranger of eos
4 kitchen finks
3 birds
2 gaddock teeg
3 fulminator mage
4 oblivion ring
3 gift of the gargantuan
3 reflecting pool
4 karpulsan forest
3 brushland
2 battlefield forge
2 wooded bastion
2 fire-lit thicket
4 jungle shrine
3 forest
3 guttural response
2 relic of progentus
3 burrenton forge tender
2 naturalize
3 incinerate
2????? Hate for the haters


constructive comments and suggestions are welcome and wanted

dude seriously my tech is terror ooh ahh lol i have never said it was trash its very compettitve you should take it as a compliment because to win at locals people have to go through you so ease up bigunn

I'm not going to say the deck is bad or you shouldn't run it, because I realized that I'm biased against decks like this. I'm also not going to test it to decide whether or not that's fair. What I will do is eyeball your list and let you know that you'll probably lose to Kithkin if you play against it. The best you could hope to do is cast Thoctar, Firespout, and hope they don't have a Forge-Tender. Probably your best option is to morph into a control deck. I hate boarding Wrath in decks with 20+ creatures though. Your other option is to try to be a bad version of their deck by boarding in Cloudgoats, or maybe Siege-Gangs or something. The more I think about it the better that idea begins to sound, so I guess I'd start with that. Just keep in mind that you're probably not going to lose to one creature so much as swarms, so Condemn et al are unlikely to get it done.

if he thinks he can hit the white fast enough he could use stillmoon for ww mu's.

Stillmoon is better than Condemn but you have to make sure you don't get swarmed. Just reiterating this because it's very important about the Kithkin matchup.

I'm not sure how well this would do against alot of the tier 1 decks such as kithkin, rdw, or fae. By all means play it, and break for format if you can, I just think the deck is another one of the crazy/annoying combo decks you tend to play. My sideboard isn't exclusive to you, it is basically 3 magma spray and 4 resounding thunder in the big tokes deck (these cards are also really freaking good against control/rev) and nothing for my 4cc deck, as it isn't really needed since I run my only answers main. And for the record last time I checked in competitive play i'm 4-0 against these decks.

Could we please stop waving our dicks and crush states? I don't care who start it and freely admit I probably participated but I for one am over it. I'd like to see a little teamwork if possible, Tulsa FTW.

I am going to tweak my list a bit then post it here.

I too never said the deck sux! It most definitely owns control strategies so cool. Your deck makes the meta more challenging which is fine by me. Also, the md hate I had was also good vs. the mirror and other mu's. It actually made the deck better overall.

*edit: I did say "such shit" and "such nonsense". My bad!

Unprepared OKC'ers will be losing to "such shit" as this on Saturday... :-)

Lunar Fail
maindeck:
4 bloom tender
3 realm razer
4 woolly thoctar
4 figure of destiny
4 birds of paradise
2 fulminator mage

2 oblivion ring
4 Moonhold
4 Manamorphose

4 Ajani Vengeant
2 Sarkhan Vol

2 karpulsan forest
2 brushland
2 wooded bastion
3 fire-lit thicket
5 forest
5 mountain
4 plains

sideboard:
3 guttural response
4 firespout
2 fulminator mage
2 elvish hexhunter
1 fracturing gust
3 kitchen finks


Thanks to Evan and Mike for helping with sideboard and manabase yesterday.

@tulsatrey-I've added your deck to my testing gauntlet and I do think the deck is pretty good. I do have some suggestions however. Moonhold can be amazing with the right hand but can be bad if you don't get that Razer lock. I would much rather have a full suite of Fulminator Mages. Manamorphose also feels subpar. I do understand why you use those two cards because they can facilitate the lock faster. I guess I like my decks to be able to handle any situation and is the reason I'm not into combo. While Ajani is amazing, Sarkhan Vol is meh in this deck. I just don't think he's necessary and he could be replaced with other goodies to make the deck more resistent to say RDW. That mu is pretty atrocious! I will have to think on this for awhile before I come up with a list...

I was actually thinking the other day about Raking Canopy against Red. I know I said prerotation that I wasn't a big fan, since it only stopped Demigod and was dead in multiples. Now that Hell's Thunder exists, it's still dead in multiples, but it lets you potentially kold 7-8 cards in their deck, so it might be justifiable. You're going to feel like an idiot when you're getting run over by Figures and Gougers and stuff, but it's not like most green decks have a better solution for Demigods. Granted, this one has white, so it does, but you get the idea.

Raking Canopy is actually a good idea! In conjunction with your Gutteral Response, it will improve the Fae mu a little in addition to helping your RDW mu.

I've seen some lists with a couple CC's. I think I would add them over Sarkhan.

It's entirely plausible that I might have Raking Canopies in my board and not bring them in against Faeries. You have to be able to attack them to win, and Raking Canopy does nothing to help you do that. Occasionally they try to race you and move in on tapping your guys with Cryptic, and that's when Canopy could do something, but that's actually pretty rare and besides, if they have the Cryptic they're just going to tap your guys and bounce your Canopy before they kill you. Normally they're just countering or killing your stuff, being a control deck.

Canopy is only potentially reasonable in decks like old Combo Lark that could win without attacking. Now, you might as well have just about anything else. Cloudthresher, Guttural, Shusher for instance. Colossus is still good against Fae too. A more aggressive two-drop or Mogg Fanatics would help. Don't go overboard though.

My board has included three Raking Canopy for a while now. I bring them in against RDW but not good Faerie decks.

Against Fae I bring in the other 2 Fulminator Mages, 3 Guttural Responses, and 2 Deglamers hoping I won't have to deal with Bitterblossom post-Armageddon. I take out 4 Moonholds, 2 Sarkhan, and a Thoctar here.

I have been looking at removing Sarkhan entirely in favor of +2 Fulminator Mage, or +1 Fulminator Mage, +1 Oblivion Ring.

Updated Lunar Fail


maindeck:
4 bloom tender
3 realm razer
4 woolly thoctar
4 figure of destiny
4 birds of paradise
2 fulminator mage

2 oblivion ring
4 Moonhold
4 Manamorphose

4 Ajani Vengeant
2 Sarkhan Vol

2 karpulsan forest
2 brushland
2 wooded bastion
3 fire-lit thicket
5 forest
5 mountain
4 plains

sideboard:
3 Raking Canopy
3 guttural response
4 firespout
2 fulminator mage
2 Deglamer
1 kitchen finks


The deck would probably be better without Sarkhan, as stated above. I've been reluctant to take him out because it is very very hard to lose a game where you resolve Sarkhan and Ajani V., which has been a lot of games. I'll probably run the deck without him this week and see how it goes.

Thoctar is pretty good against Faeries and should probably stay in. The only problem is that he gets Sowered. Oblivion Ring could help with this, as long as they don't have a Scion. Cloudthresher would be much better than anything else, even if it has little to no crossover value. A problem I have with LD decks is that you end up cutting removal usually to fit the LD in, and it sucks to stare at some Fulminator Mages and Moonholds when you just want an Incinerate or Naya Charm.

I'm not sure Deglamer is fighting the right fight, and wouldn't Naturalize or even Spring Cleaning be better anyway?

Enchantment/Artifact hate is there for Reveillark, Tokens, and other things it is randomly good against. Those decks have become less popular, so I could probably take it out now.

Anyway, my thoughts on Deglamer over Naturalize were...
Deglamer a Tidehollow Sculler, they can't use Sanctum Gargoyle or Reveillark to get it back.
Deglamer a Bitterblossom, there is a chance they'll draw it again late game when they don't want to play it.

Spring Cleaning won't get artifacts, as I learned in the Lorwyn draft where I lost to Dolmen Gate four times. Srsly.

I have had Thoctars repeatedly Sowered. It is bad news bears. Seemed like the thing to take out v. Fae.

I could add two more Finks for the RDW matchup in place of Deglamers. When RDW is forced to use Magma Spray on Finks, it gets fucked by Realm Razer.

heres my list as it stands now

4 Birds of paradise
4 bloom tender
4 figure of destiny
4 realm razer
3 kitchen finks
4 woolly thoctar
4 magma spray
4 naya charm
3 ajani vengeant
3 oblivion ring

23 lands

Side board
1 oblivion ring
1 kitchen finks
4 firespout
2 cloudthresher
2 raking canopy
3 guttural response
2 naturalize

this is running very well for the most part

on a side note moonhold is not what you want for this deck because it is counter productive to the main goal of the deck. if you moon hold them on the two turns leading up to the razer they are more likely to be holding lands to help them recover and come back and win. just some thoughts to fuel the flames

I think you guys should follow Jesse Riviera's advice and go with 4 Raking Canopy and 4 Gutteral response. This is what he said(use stupid, lame latino accent),"It's a mini nombo that just kills all flyers. Your opponent will be hard pressed to come back up from the pile of mertha you put them in." He's pretty much a newb so take his limited and foggy knowledge with a boulder of salt.

I like my version

Oh and bigwill, try out the red command I've liked it so far..

bigwillbigwill wrote:moonhold is not what you want for this deck because it is counter productive to the main goal of the deck. if you moon hold them on the two turns leading up to the razer they are more likely to be holding lands to help them recover and come back and win. just some thoughts to fuel the flames

I have thought about this before, but maintain that I like Moonhold with Ajani a lot. I either play it on turn two off birds, or turn three if I have to. If I have a Realm Razer in hand I can drop turn 3-5, I keep the Moonholds for afterward.

I don't like finks or magma spray main. I feel like my version is more concentrated on a goal.

If Naya Charm were Rith's Charm, I'd play it. I just don't think Naya Charm is good enough.

can you tell me why you dont like finks or spray or naya charm even?

I want to play with the most focused deck possible game 1. I think that adding ten other cards (even a good card like finks) to the maindeck would water it down.

I don't think magma spray is good enough against enough decks to warrant a spot main.

I don't think naya charm is very good at all really. Like spray, it can't burn players. Tapping down your opponents guys is not all that important here. You can't really use it to bring back Realm Razer in a timely fashion, since your lands come back tapped when he dies and Naya Charm + Realm Razer costs 9 mana.

tulsatrey wrote:I have had Thoctars repeatedly Sowered. It is bad news bears. Seemed like the thing to take out v. Fae.

I mean, that sucks, but the best way to beat Faeries is to attack. If you sit back and try to lob big spells at Faeries you'll play right into their hands. Expensive things that don't attack=bad vs Faeries. Cheap things that attack=good Faeries. Hope that's redundant enough. Bring in some answers for Sower. Don't take out an awesome attacker out of fear.

Naya Charm is the type of card that often impresses me. You think it'll be too expensive or whatever, but the flexibility is awesome. How about this method of beating Faeries when they try to race: they Cryptictap you, you Cryptictap them back. I mean they get to draw a card, but what do you expect? They're blue, you're not.

Why is nobody playing Condemn or Runed Halo for RDW? What about Crib Swap or Flame Javelin so you don't always get timewalked by Mistbind Clique? If your plan is to be a RWG midrange deck, play a few removal/burn/utility spells. If your plan is to be a LD deck, go LD. The best LD deck is probably 5c with Smokebraider, Mulldrifter, and Mannequin. Or maybe something with Primal Command and a couple of Profane Commands to Fulminator them repeatedly. Possibly Rain of Tears.

snoozeallmotherfuckinday wrote:I like my version

Then post it you big gay