Post SoA: U/Wx Reveillark
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Re: Post SoA: U/Wx Reveillark
@aceben3 and neux-I need some help putting together a list with Fulminator. I've been looking at Gerry's and trying to get a feel for it. I'm interested in playing a couple of Nekraatal md and so on. Please give me sample lists and commentary. Thanks guys!
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Re: Post SoA: U/Wx Reveillark
Here's a deck I snagged from another forum. It has the LD theme everyone but me seems to like. I gave some standard SB options since it didn't have one.
4 reveillark
4 mulldrifter
4 tidehollow sculler
4 fulminator mage
3 sower of temptation
1 mistmeadow witch
4 wrath of god
4 cryptic command
2 makeshift mannequin
4 esper charm
2 ajani vengeant
2 arcane sanctum (probably should be Vivids)
2 vivid creek
2 vivid meadow
1 vivid marsh
4 reflecting pool
3 mystic gate
3 fetid heath
1 caves of koilos
1 adarkar wastes
3 plains
2 island
SB:
Condemn
Runed Halo
Story Circle?
4 Thoughtseize
2 Mind Shatter
Glen Elendra Archmage
etc
4 reveillark
4 mulldrifter
4 tidehollow sculler
4 fulminator mage
3 sower of temptation
1 mistmeadow witch
4 wrath of god
4 cryptic command
2 makeshift mannequin
4 esper charm
2 ajani vengeant
2 arcane sanctum (probably should be Vivids)
2 vivid creek
2 vivid meadow
1 vivid marsh
4 reflecting pool
3 mystic gate
3 fetid heath
1 caves of koilos
1 adarkar wastes
3 plains
2 island
SB:
Condemn
Runed Halo
Story Circle?
4 Thoughtseize
2 Mind Shatter
Glen Elendra Archmage
etc
Re: Post SoA: U/Wx Reveillark
The skeleton appears to be universal but I'm wondering if 2 Story Circle md would be better than Ajani Vengent seeing how Rev has the upper hand vs. 5 Color Control anyway. Plus, we wouldn't be so "kold" to RDW game 1 and should be able to take game2 most of the time. Also, I would like to try out Nekraatal because his first strike ability seems relavant and he can take out opposing Shriekmaws with ease.
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Re: Post SoA: U/Wx Reveillark
Seems like you want to play a deck more like mine then, without Fulminator Mages or Mannequins and with Story Circles, removal and more counterspells. One of my friends is still rocking this list:
4 Vivid Meadow
4 Reflecting Pool
1 Vivid Creek
4 Arcane Sanctum
4 Adarkar Wastes
4 Mystic Gate
3 Fetid Heath
4 Tidehollow Sculler
4 Kitchen Finks
4 Sower of Temptation
4 Mulldrifter
4 Reveillark
2 Glen Elendra Archmage
4 Cryptic Command
3 Remove Soul
3 Esper Charm
4 Wrath of God
Sideboard
3 Story Circle
2 Negate
2 Knight-Captain of Eos
2 Wispmare
2 Jace Beleren
3 Condemn
1 Esper Charm
It's pretty good, and I wouldn't feel bad about Statesting with it. I don't think I want removal in my deck game 1 though. If anything I might play a couple of Runed Halos since those are nice against Mistbind Clique, but you already have Sowers for the decks Nekrataal would be good against.
4 Vivid Meadow
4 Reflecting Pool
1 Vivid Creek
4 Arcane Sanctum
4 Adarkar Wastes
4 Mystic Gate
3 Fetid Heath
4 Tidehollow Sculler
4 Kitchen Finks
4 Sower of Temptation
4 Mulldrifter
4 Reveillark
2 Glen Elendra Archmage
4 Cryptic Command
3 Remove Soul
3 Esper Charm
4 Wrath of God
Sideboard
3 Story Circle
2 Negate
2 Knight-Captain of Eos
2 Wispmare
2 Jace Beleren
3 Condemn
1 Esper Charm
It's pretty good, and I wouldn't feel bad about Statesting with it. I don't think I want removal in my deck game 1 though. If anything I might play a couple of Runed Halos since those are nice against Mistbind Clique, but you already have Sowers for the decks Nekrataal would be good against.
Re: Post SoA: U/Wx Reveillark
So perhaps a couple of negate md along with 3 Remove Soul and 4 Cryptics? Are you playing any md Archmage?
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Re: Post SoA: U/Wx Reveillark
This is what I'll most likely play at States.
2 Glen Elendra Archmage
4 Kitchen Finks
4 Mulldrifter
3 Reveillark
3 Sower of Temptation
4 Tidehollow Sculler
4 Cryptic Command
4 Esper Charm
3 Remove Soul
2 Story Circle
3 Wrath of God
2 Adarkar Wastes
4 Arcane Sanctum
1 Caves of Koilos
3 Fetid Heath
1 Island
4 Mystic Gate
1 Plains
4 Reflecting Pool
4 Vivid Meadow
Sideboard (still kind of undecided)
3 Faerie Macabre
2 Infest
2 Jace Beleren
3 Negate
1 Story Circle
3 Wispmare
1 Wrath of God
I still need to come up with a solid sb strategy.
2 Glen Elendra Archmage
4 Kitchen Finks
4 Mulldrifter
3 Reveillark
3 Sower of Temptation
4 Tidehollow Sculler
4 Cryptic Command
4 Esper Charm
3 Remove Soul
2 Story Circle
3 Wrath of God
2 Adarkar Wastes
4 Arcane Sanctum
1 Caves of Koilos
3 Fetid Heath
1 Island
4 Mystic Gate
1 Plains
4 Reflecting Pool
4 Vivid Meadow
Sideboard (still kind of undecided)
3 Faerie Macabre
2 Infest
2 Jace Beleren
3 Negate
1 Story Circle
3 Wispmare
1 Wrath of God
I still need to come up with a solid sb strategy.
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Re: Post SoA: U/Wx Reveillark
Looks pretty good. A few thoughts:
1. You already have Remove Soul main to help in the mirror, and Faerie Macabre is pretty narrow. I'd try something else. Mistmeadow Witch is pretty insane in the mirror if you just want something for that.
2. I think we all know how good Glen Elendra Archmage is, but I've heard a lot of buzz about decks with lots of planeswalkers, and Archmage completely destroys them. Those guys are going to be MVPs.
3. 3 Infests with 4 Wraths is a ton of sweepers. Sure it'll probably help your Kithkin matchup, but I think 3 Condemns instead of Infests would help against Red and still be useful against Kithkin, and would make your deck a little more well-rounded. As a side effect, Condemn is pretty good against Merfolk, your one truly miserable matchup.
4. Maybe consider Stillmoon Cavalier SB. He gives you pretty substantial threat in the Faerie matchup and holds the fort well against Kithkin. If you can Wrath a couple of times then drop him it's probably over.
5. If you want to work in SB plans, now's the time. It's helpful to know that kind of stuff before you sit down.
1. You already have Remove Soul main to help in the mirror, and Faerie Macabre is pretty narrow. I'd try something else. Mistmeadow Witch is pretty insane in the mirror if you just want something for that.
2. I think we all know how good Glen Elendra Archmage is, but I've heard a lot of buzz about decks with lots of planeswalkers, and Archmage completely destroys them. Those guys are going to be MVPs.
3. 3 Infests with 4 Wraths is a ton of sweepers. Sure it'll probably help your Kithkin matchup, but I think 3 Condemns instead of Infests would help against Red and still be useful against Kithkin, and would make your deck a little more well-rounded. As a side effect, Condemn is pretty good against Merfolk, your one truly miserable matchup.
4. Maybe consider Stillmoon Cavalier SB. He gives you pretty substantial threat in the Faerie matchup and holds the fort well against Kithkin. If you can Wrath a couple of times then drop him it's probably over.
5. If you want to work in SB plans, now's the time. It's helpful to know that kind of stuff before you sit down.
Re: Post SoA: U/Wx Reveillark
I really appreciate the feedback Ben!
SB:
3 Condemn
1-2? Mistmeadow Witch
2 Negate (would a third Glen Elendra be better since creatures are better in Lark or is speed and cheapness the factors?)
3 Stillmoon Cavalier
1 Story Circle
3 Wispmare (I feel that 3 is the right number)
1 Wrath of God
2 Jace? Are they really needed? Why?
vs. Kithkin
-2 Glen Elendra, -4 Tidehollow Sculler
+3 Stillmoon, +1 Wrath, +1 Story Circle
vs. Fae
-1 Cryptic Command?!-2 Glen Elendra? -2 Story Circle, -3 Wrath of God
+3 Stillmoon, +3 Wispmare, ?
vs. RDW
-4 Tidehollow Sculler? - 3 Sowers?
+3 Condemn, +1 Story Circle
vs. Mirror
-2 Story Circle
+2 Mistmeadow Witch
vs. 5 Color Control
-3 Sower, -3 Wrath of God
+2 Negate, +3 Wispmare?, +2 Jace (if I have them in sb)
Man I really suck at sbing! I need to read some of my reference material.
SB:
3 Condemn
1-2? Mistmeadow Witch
2 Negate (would a third Glen Elendra be better since creatures are better in Lark or is speed and cheapness the factors?)
3 Stillmoon Cavalier
1 Story Circle
3 Wispmare (I feel that 3 is the right number)
1 Wrath of God
2 Jace? Are they really needed? Why?
vs. Kithkin
-2 Glen Elendra, -4 Tidehollow Sculler
+3 Stillmoon, +1 Wrath, +1 Story Circle
vs. Fae
-1 Cryptic Command?!-2 Glen Elendra? -2 Story Circle, -3 Wrath of God
+3 Stillmoon, +3 Wispmare, ?
vs. RDW
-4 Tidehollow Sculler? - 3 Sowers?
+3 Condemn, +1 Story Circle
vs. Mirror
-2 Story Circle
+2 Mistmeadow Witch
vs. 5 Color Control
-3 Sower, -3 Wrath of God
+2 Negate, +3 Wispmare?, +2 Jace (if I have them in sb)
Man I really suck at sbing! I need to read some of my reference material.
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Re: Post SoA: U/Wx Reveillark
I think we can plug a LOT of leaks just by getting this right.
The SB I would suggest with your MD is:
3 Stillmoon Cavalier
3 Condemn
2 Runed Halo
2 Wispmare
2 Negate/Jace
2 Mind Shatter
1 Wrath
I would SB as follows:
Kithkin
-4 Sculler -2 Archmage -1 Remove Soul/ Esper Charm (open for debate and depends on whether they have O-Rings or Unmakes)
+3 Stillmoon Cavalier +3 Condemn +1 Wrath
On the draw I'd probably take out all the Remove Souls and add the Halos.
Red
-4 Sculler -2 Archmage
+3 Condemn +2 Halo +1 Wrath
Wrath isn't great here, but you already have pretty good cards against them so you should be ok
Faeries
-3 Wrath -2 Story Circle
+2 Wispmare +2 Negate/Jace +1 Shatter
I've seen people try to build Lark decks such that they can take out Larks and Mulldrifters against Fae. I haven't tried it but I might look into it. Would mean not taking such an anti-aggro stance game 1 and I'm a little hesitant to do that.
5cc
-3 Wrath -2 Story Circle
+2 Negate/Jace +2 Shatter +1 Runed Halo
Halo can be useful against Cruel Ultimatum or Cloudthresher, but honestly I'd like to find a way to add a couple of board cards so you don't have to do that. This configuration is almost certainly not optimal but I thought it'd give you some ideas you can work off of. I wouldn't worry too much about the mirror or random stuff like Realm Razer. This isn't Friday Night Magic, I expect most people to bring somewhat real decks. Granted the mirror is somewhat real but it's not a big enough deck imo to warrant board cards just for it.
The SB I would suggest with your MD is:
3 Stillmoon Cavalier
3 Condemn
2 Runed Halo
2 Wispmare
2 Negate/Jace
2 Mind Shatter
1 Wrath
I would SB as follows:
Kithkin
-4 Sculler -2 Archmage -1 Remove Soul/ Esper Charm (open for debate and depends on whether they have O-Rings or Unmakes)
+3 Stillmoon Cavalier +3 Condemn +1 Wrath
On the draw I'd probably take out all the Remove Souls and add the Halos.
Red
-4 Sculler -2 Archmage
+3 Condemn +2 Halo +1 Wrath
Wrath isn't great here, but you already have pretty good cards against them so you should be ok
Faeries
-3 Wrath -2 Story Circle
+2 Wispmare +2 Negate/Jace +1 Shatter
I've seen people try to build Lark decks such that they can take out Larks and Mulldrifters against Fae. I haven't tried it but I might look into it. Would mean not taking such an anti-aggro stance game 1 and I'm a little hesitant to do that.
5cc
-3 Wrath -2 Story Circle
+2 Negate/Jace +2 Shatter +1 Runed Halo
Halo can be useful against Cruel Ultimatum or Cloudthresher, but honestly I'd like to find a way to add a couple of board cards so you don't have to do that. This configuration is almost certainly not optimal but I thought it'd give you some ideas you can work off of. I wouldn't worry too much about the mirror or random stuff like Realm Razer. This isn't Friday Night Magic, I expect most people to bring somewhat real decks. Granted the mirror is somewhat real but it's not a big enough deck imo to warrant board cards just for it.
Re: Post SoA: U/Wx Reveillark
You make a lot of sense and I like your sb and strategy much better than mine. Thanks a ton dude!
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Re: Post SoA: U/Wx Reveillark
I've been reading and thinking about a few things...
Stillmoon Cavelier rocks
FOD rocks
I've heard from TCG player forums that a couple of guys played these md in their Rev builds. It seems really good if the right build could be developed. I wonder if A couple of Ranger of Eos and a couple of Burrenton Forgetenders could be either md or sb? Or just md Story Circle again?
Could we cut u out and go mainly bw? This would allow for Fulminator Mage md and Thoughtseize. No card draw! Virtual CA? What about 1 Gravedigger for Rev recurrsion or better yet Doomed Necromancer!? Graveborn Muse for card draw? Mindstone better? I know all this is garbled but I'm just going through a Jesse thought process. Here is a very rough sketch of what I'm thinking...
B/W Rev by Solomon
1 Doomed Necromancer 2b
2 Figure of Destiny w
4 Fulminator Mage 1bb
4 Kitchen Finks 1ww
2 Nekraatal 2bb
4 Reveillark 4w/5w
3 Stillmoon Cavalier 1 b/w, b/w
4 Tidehollow Sculler bw
1 Makeshift Mannequin 3b
3 Mindstone? 2
4 Thoughtseize b
4 Wrath of God 2ww
4 Caves of Koilos
4 Fetid Heath
6 Plains
2 Reflecting Pool
8 Swamp
SB:
2 Burrenton Forge Tender
2 Infest
1 Knight-Captain of Eos
1 Stillmoon Cavalier
4 Runed Halo
4 Wispmare
?
Please give me some lumps... I'll take another sir! And another!
edit: T'would be bad ass to have a couple of Mirror Entity? Me thinks I'm going cwazy!
Stillmoon Cavelier rocks
FOD rocks
I've heard from TCG player forums that a couple of guys played these md in their Rev builds. It seems really good if the right build could be developed. I wonder if A couple of Ranger of Eos and a couple of Burrenton Forgetenders could be either md or sb? Or just md Story Circle again?
Could we cut u out and go mainly bw? This would allow for Fulminator Mage md and Thoughtseize. No card draw! Virtual CA? What about 1 Gravedigger for Rev recurrsion or better yet Doomed Necromancer!? Graveborn Muse for card draw? Mindstone better? I know all this is garbled but I'm just going through a Jesse thought process. Here is a very rough sketch of what I'm thinking...
B/W Rev by Solomon
1 Doomed Necromancer 2b
2 Figure of Destiny w
4 Fulminator Mage 1bb
4 Kitchen Finks 1ww
2 Nekraatal 2bb
4 Reveillark 4w/5w
3 Stillmoon Cavalier 1 b/w, b/w
4 Tidehollow Sculler bw
1 Makeshift Mannequin 3b
3 Mindstone? 2
4 Thoughtseize b
4 Wrath of God 2ww
4 Caves of Koilos
4 Fetid Heath
6 Plains
2 Reflecting Pool
8 Swamp
SB:
2 Burrenton Forge Tender
2 Infest
1 Knight-Captain of Eos
1 Stillmoon Cavalier
4 Runed Halo
4 Wispmare
?
Please give me some lumps... I'll take another sir! And another!
edit: T'would be bad ass to have a couple of Mirror Entity? Me thinks I'm going cwazy!
Last edited by Solomon on Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:58 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : what about this?)
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Re: Post SoA: U/Wx Reveillark
Don't like Doomed Necromancer or Mind Stone. Prefer Knight of the White Orchid. I would find room for a second Mannequin and Vivids for 2-3 Ajani Vengeant. Move Thoughtseize to the board imo.
Re: Post SoA: U/Wx Reveillark
Thanks for the suggestions.
B/W Rev by Solomon
2 Figure of Destiny
4 Fulminator Mage
4 Kitchen Finks
4 Knight of the White Orchid
2 Nekraatal
4 Reveillark
3 Stillmoon Cavalier
4 Tidehollow Sculler
3 Ajani Vengent
2 Makeshift Mannequin
4 Wrath of God
4 Caves of Koilos
4 Fetid Heath
5 Plains
3 Reflecting Pool
4 Vivid Marsh
4 Vivid Meadow
SB:
2 Burrenton Forge Tender
2 Infest
1 Stillmoon Cavalier
4 Runed Halo
3 Thoughtseize
3 Wispmare
B/W Rev by Solomon
2 Figure of Destiny
4 Fulminator Mage
4 Kitchen Finks
4 Knight of the White Orchid
2 Nekraatal
4 Reveillark
3 Stillmoon Cavalier
4 Tidehollow Sculler
3 Ajani Vengent
2 Makeshift Mannequin
4 Wrath of God
4 Caves of Koilos
4 Fetid Heath
5 Plains
3 Reflecting Pool
4 Vivid Marsh
4 Vivid Meadow
SB:
2 Burrenton Forge Tender
2 Infest
1 Stillmoon Cavalier
4 Runed Halo
3 Thoughtseize
3 Wispmare
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You should have a 4th Pool. 2 Figure looks like you're unsure of how good it is, and I am too. Conventional wisdom suggests that's the type of card you either want 4 or 0 of. Dunno which is right, just saying.
I almost wonder if you could clear a bunch of room out and go up to 4 Figure 1 Forge-Tender MD with some Rangers of Eos? That may be horrible, beware.
I almost wonder if you could clear a bunch of room out and go up to 4 Figure 1 Forge-Tender MD with some Rangers of Eos? That may be horrible, beware.
Re: Post SoA: U/Wx Reveillark
I was thinking of just that when I made that first post. I'll test it out. Mind you, this may all turn to shit but I just want to experiment a little.
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Re: Post SoA: U/Wx Reveillark
Being able to fish cards out of your deck never seems like a bad idea. The question I have is, are there any other 1power creatures in standard that can possibly be 1 ofs to take advantage of the tutoring ability or the ranger? Whispmare? Mirror Entity? I also think that a knight of eos might be useful with mirror entity (make revillark a soldier and sack to fog?) Of course, this would prolly work better with sower, since you can sac their guy to fog. Anywho, just a couple thoughts.
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Re: Post SoA: U/Wx Reveillark
Ranger can only fetch 1cc guys. Loyal Sentry, Burrenton Forge-Tender, etc.
Re: Post SoA: U/Wx Reveillark
I changed the Knight of the White Orchid to Knight of Meadow Grain because the life link was more relevant than the extra land I hardly got. Also, though Stillmoon kicks ass, it is better in the sb. I'm thinkng of putting in 3-4 Nameless inversion md?
B/W Rev ver.2 By Solomon
4 Fulminator Mage
4 Kitchen Finks
4 Knight of the Meadowgrain
2 Nekraatal
4 Reveillark
4 Tidehollow Sculler
3 Ajani Vengent
2 Makeshift Mannequin
4 Nameless Inversion
4 Wrath of God
4 Caves of Koilos
4 Fetid Heath
5 Plains
4 Reflecting Pool
4 Vivid Marsh
4 Vivid Meadow
SB:
3 Condemn
3 Stillmoon Cavalier
3 Story Circle
3 Thoughtseize
3 Wispmare
B/W Rev ver.2 By Solomon
4 Fulminator Mage
4 Kitchen Finks
4 Knight of the Meadowgrain
2 Nekraatal
4 Reveillark
4 Tidehollow Sculler
3 Ajani Vengent
2 Makeshift Mannequin
4 Nameless Inversion
4 Wrath of God
4 Caves of Koilos
4 Fetid Heath
5 Plains
4 Reflecting Pool
4 Vivid Marsh
4 Vivid Meadow
SB:
3 Condemn
3 Stillmoon Cavalier
3 Story Circle
3 Thoughtseize
3 Wispmare
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Re: Post SoA: U/Wx Reveillark
I like condemn more than nameless inversion, and I'm not sure how I feel about the finks.. This is coming from someone who has played with zero SoA though.
Re: Post SoA: U/Wx Reveillark
imo, from what I can tell about the metagame right now, 5cc isn't popular enough to make Lark a good choice. I'd rather just play 5cc to be better vs aggro or Faeries which is still awesome vs 5cc but probably actually better against aggro than Lark. Fae is just so powerful.
Re: Post SoA: U/Wx Reveillark
If I were to play Lark again I would play something along the lines of Peebles build with Mistmeadow Witch tech. I know there was 1 Lark build that took first and it was a Peebles build almost card for card.
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Re: Post SoA: U/Wx Reveillark
Okay... I'll let the cat out of the bag and let you guys see my latest list. This basically Peebles list w/o Mind Stone.
2 Glen-Elendra Archmage
3 Kitchen Finks (these could be Knight of Meadow Grain)
2 Knight-Captain of Eos
1 Mirror Entity
1 Mistmeadow Witch
4 Mulldrifter
4 Reveillark
4 Sower of Temptation
4 Cryptic Command
3 Remove Soul
2 Story Circle (might be overkill, could be Condemn or something else?)
2 Tidings
4 Wrath of God
2 Adarkar Wastes
4 Arcane Santum
2 Island
4 Mystic Gate
4 Plains
4 Reflecting Pool
4 Vivid Meadow
SB: still in flux
1 Glen Elendra Archmage
4 Knight of the White Orchid
3 Oblivion Ring
1 Remove Soul
2 Runed Halo
4 Wispmare
2 Glen-Elendra Archmage
3 Kitchen Finks (these could be Knight of Meadow Grain)
2 Knight-Captain of Eos
1 Mirror Entity
1 Mistmeadow Witch
4 Mulldrifter
4 Reveillark
4 Sower of Temptation
4 Cryptic Command
3 Remove Soul
2 Story Circle (might be overkill, could be Condemn or something else?)
2 Tidings
4 Wrath of God
2 Adarkar Wastes
4 Arcane Santum
2 Island
4 Mystic Gate
4 Plains
4 Reflecting Pool
4 Vivid Meadow
SB: still in flux
1 Glen Elendra Archmage
4 Knight of the White Orchid
3 Oblivion Ring
1 Remove Soul
2 Runed Halo
4 Wispmare
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Re: Post SoA: U/Wx Reveillark
I don't want 4 Adarkar Wastes so I went with some Arcanes and Vivids to consistently get trips u for Cryptic. If I don't go with Story Circle then I will probably change the mana base and probably add some Mutavault. Not sure yet.
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Re: Post SoA: U/Wx Reveillark
To be honest, Faeries is too good right now for me to play Lark. Faeries won more States than any other deck. If I do much experimenting with Standard it'll probably be with Multicolor Faerie decks and decks that could be favorable against Fae.
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