G/W Big Pizza

Big Mannequin Stylee by Solomon

2 Chameleon Colossus
3 Cloudthresher
4 Mulldrifter
2 Shriekmaw
3 Tarmogoyf
2 Venser, Shaper Savant (saves your ass when things get ugly) may go: -2, +1 Shriekmaw, +1 Goyf
4 Wall of Roots

2 Coalition Relic
2 Loxodon Warhammer (game breaker)
4 Makeshift Mannequin
3 Primal Command
2 Profane Command (another win condition)
4 Search for Tomorrow (I like the flow of this more than Into the North)

4 Llanowar Wastes
2 Mouth of Ronom (It's okay to just draw into one, plus I never liked to fetch with Into the North when I was playing it)
4 River of Tears
6 Snow-Covered Forest
2 Snow-Covered Island
2 Snow-Covered Swamp
3 Treetop Village

SB:(looking better but still needs work)
3 Bitterblossom
2 Extirpate
2 Mindshatter
4 Mwonvuli Acid Moss (is it needed?)
1 Razormane Masticore
3 Thoughtseize


I didn't have the Jap list so I improvised and made it a little different. So far it is testing extremely well, though I think the mana base could use improvement. I've thrown almost everything at it and it's come out on top. Now all I need are 2 CCs!

seems ok, i think venser should be left out cuz he's not really that strong and UU is hard to get. if you really need something to save your ass maybe try damnation. you probably want 4 painlands at most so i'd -2 underground river +2 river of tears. relic is an interesting call, seems ok but idk. i like thoughtseize sb, it's just really good. riftsweeper seems a little underwhelming to me. 2 extirpate should be enough. and i have a feeling i'd want some sort of instant-speed removal somewhere (beyond mannequin shriekmaw). if you are really having trouble with tribal (heh) maybe try phyrexian ironfoot sb. in my experience he was generally nuts vs kithkin.

i really know nothing about matchups but those are just my comments based on the format etc. for instance, i don't think acid-moss is incredible in the mirror but i'm not sure what wins it really so i suppose your guess is as good as mine. flashfreeze?

I'll need to test Venser more... I could always go +1 Shriekmaw, +1 Goyf like the original. I really don't like Civic Wayfinder because he doesn't accel your mana. Relic gives any color mana and is an accelerant. -2 Underground River, +2 River of Tears seems great. I'm not sure about the Reveilark or Dragon Storm matchup... I'm not sure how good game 1 is and therfore I'm not sure how to build the SB. 2 Loxodon Warhammers have allowed me to stabilize vs. aggro and usually it's equiped to a Thresher which pretty much swings the game in my favor. As far as the mirror goes... Venser seems to shine. Again, more testing is needed. I really like the flow of this design more than the Jap version.

i wouldn't worry too much about dstorm...as for reveillark, thoughtseize sb is really good and a couple of extirpates would help. profane command is nice bc it lets you get a ton of dmg through if it resolves. seems winnable. oh yeah cloudthresher kills a lot of their guys too...

Well Riftsweeper can go and a couple of Mindshatter would be good vs. other Mana Ramp decks. Thoughtseize sound great too...(changing SB)

Well the newest list is looking more like the original all the time but I still like Profane Command so it's staying. The more I think about it, the more I think Troll Ascetic gets the nod over Goyf and here's why:
1. Cannot be Sowered.
2. Cannot be killed by Skred.
3. Can chump all day.
4. Very effective with my MD Warhammers.

I like Venser, he's saved me a couple of times but for the sake of weenie rushes and color fixing the Civic Wayfinder must come back in.

Big Mannequin Stylee ver.3

2 Chameleon Colossus
3 Civic Wayfinder
3 Cloudthresher (I played Kenny's Big Mana deck and this guy ate his Goyfs all day!)
4 Mulldrifter
3 Shriekmaw
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Wall of Roots

3 Into the North
4 Makeshift Mannequin
3 Primal Command
4 Terror

(manabase still needs work)
4 Llanowar Wastes
1 Mouth of Ronom
4 River of Tears
1 Frost Marsh
5 Snow-Covered Forest
1 Snow-Covered Island
3 Snow-Covered Swamp
4 Treetop Village
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth

SB:(looking better but still needs work)
3 Bitterblossom
1 Detritivore? (could put a Highland Weald and Mountain MD?) 1 Cloudthresher?
2 Extirpate
2 Mindshatter
1 Primal Command
1 Razormane Masticore
1 Shriekmaw
4 Thoughtseize (Ben pointed out that these would be better than Acid-Moss vs. more matchups and I agree)

Note: I see why the Gilt-Leaf are in the Jap list... 2 Colossus, 3 Civics and 4 Nameless Inversion give you a chance to get it in play untapped. Right now I'm experimenting with +2 Warhammer and +2 Profane because they up your power level but at the cost of cheap removal.

I think this is what I'm playing Wed and/or Friday.

idk i'd take the original list and -1 wayfinder +1 into the north and sb: -4 acid-moss +4 thoughtseize, maybe -1 cloudthresher +1 razormane masticore sb (metagame call). profane and warhammer are ok but i worry you're just playing too many expensive spells and not giving yourself enough good early game. so many tribal decks will outpower your expensive things if you can't kill their lord or linchpin creature. i would consider playing terror over inversion though.

i'm thinking that post shadowmore, if by chance im still playing a g/whatever deck that i'll toss in troll over goyf simply due to the -1/-1 counters that i expect to see being flung around everywhere, but i guess we'll have to see exactly how well these new mechanics perform before i make the decison to shelve $200 worth of cardboard.

I can see your points Ben. Terror seems really good now since not many people are playing black creatures and nameless inversion does nothing to Doran or CC anyway.

Chuck. I'm thinking that a Spirit Stompy deck would be more fitting for Troll. I believe there was one that made a top 8 or something... maybe it's posted on TCG Player?

I've been seeing a lot of new G/W/u Big Wish decks and I thought it would be cool to revive ol' Pizza. I decided to go non-wish so I could add Condemn and O-Ring which I think will be great in the meta. I'm concerned about Reveillark, Faeries and Merfolk so my SB will need work.

G/W/r Cold Pizza w a Spicy ah Meatball!

1 Akroma, Angel of Wrath
4 Cloudthresher
1 Crovax, Ascendant Hero
3 Kitchen Finks
3 Troll Ascetic
3 Oversoul of Dusk
4 Wall of Roots

4 Condemn
4 Harmonize
3 Oblivion Ring
3 Primal Command
4 Search for Tomorrow

4 Brushland
1 Horizon Canopy
2 Mouth of Ronom
5 Snow-Covered Forest
1 Snow-Covered Mountain
3 Snow-Covered Plains
4 Treetop Village
4 Wooded Bastion

SB: (needs work)
1 Detritivore (Spicy ah Meatball)
2 Loxodon Warhammer
4 Mwonvuli Acid-Moss
1 Primal Command
3 Raking Canopy
1 Riftsweeper
3 Tormod's Crypt

Seems like if you're playing snow, you should play into the north instead, and then you can throw in that random highland weald and mountain. Also I believe this deck can possibly support revillark out of the board if you include riftwatchers and wayfinders in the main (muhahaha). But perhaps best of all is the fact that with finks wrath isn't terrible to cast for either player. You don't need 3 oversoul of dusk in the deck, 1 is enough, as you can fetch it and cast it the next turn. Perhaps splash blue and a couple chroniclers!

1. i do like into the north and snow lands+duals over search for tomorrow since you will sometimes want to lay a village turn 1. with northnorth you can do that and just accelerate on turn 2.
2. gerryt says "primal command is the stones in type 2." do with that what you will.
3. seems like you cut cut a couple of painlands/canopies for basics since you have bastion now; they don't seem needed.
4. if you're going to play red and snow, can you fit skred in there? with your nonbasics, do you want to?
5. do you want farhaven elf over troll or anything else?

just some things to think about. i actually like this build quite a bit and i think it's a pretty fair choice from what i can guess about the new metagame.

I didn't know if you saw this, but this is Ruben Bressler's list from his TCGPlayer blog:

4 Wall of Roots
4 Cloudthresher
3 Tarmogoyf
3 Oversoul of Dusk
3 Kitchen Finks
1 Akroma, Angel of Wrath
1 Crovax, Ascendant Hero

4 Into the North
4 Glittering Wish
4 Harmonize
2 Primal Command
2 Search for Tomorrow
2 Garruk Wildspeaker

6 Snow-Covered Forest
4 Snow-Covered Plains
4 Treetop Village
3 Arctic Flats
2 Wooded Bastion
1 Snow-Covered Island
1 Boreal Shelf
1 Mouth of Ronom

SIDEBOARD
3 Last Breath
3 Patriarch’s Scorn
1 Kitchen Finks
1 Oversoul of Dusk
1 Dawnglow Infusion
1 Teferi’s Moat
1 Vexing SHusher
1 Mystic Enforcer
1 Juniper Order Ranger
1 Primal Command

@chuck-I agree with Into the North, especially combined with what Ben said. I don't think Reveillark is needed unless I run both Farhaven Elf and Riftwatcher which seems not worth it. Oversoul of Dusk may be the best of the Avatars. I'm getting 3 ASAP.

@aceben3- Skred would be the shit for removal. I could take out the Condemn. I can put in more basics. Is it really worth it to have Farhaven Elf over Troll?

I did see his list. I got some inspiration from it and from the 2nd place finisher on ML. I like the Glittering Wish but I wanted to make something that may give me an edge in the mirror match. I'm not sure if I've accomplished that or not until I test this beast.

Okay. Let put those suggestions into action...

G/W/r Cold Pizza w a Spicy ah Meatballs!

4 Cloudthresher
1 Crovax, Ascendant Hero
3 Kitchen Finks
3 Oversoul of Dusk
3 Tarmogoyf
4 Wall of Roots

4 Skred (that's a spicy!)
4 Harmonize
4 Into the North
3 Oblivion Ring
3 Primal Command

1 Arctic Flat
1 Highland Weald
1 Mouth of Ronom
8 Snow-Covered Forest
3 Snow-Covered Mountain
4 Snow-Covered Plains
4 Treetop Village
2 Wooded Bastion

Fulminator Mage won't have as much impact vs. this deck because of the good amount of basics and I can increase that number if need be.

SB: (needs work)
1 Detritivore (Spicy ah Meatball)
2 Loxodon Warhammer
4 Mwonvuli Acid-Moss
1 Primal Command
3 Raping Canopy
1 Riftsweeper
3 Tormod's Crypt

I think I like this better! Thanks guys!

why not cut two bastions, or one and a basic for 2 arctic flats? would be another nice target for into the north and help your skreds a bit

good idea!

I tested this vs. the G/B LD deck and the LD kills it!

yeah, whatever, i don't think many people will play LD, if you're really worried about it you can just play more accel.

I might play it! Ha ha!

sideboard -4 acid moss +4 crucible of the world, muhahaha. I just ordered 4 oversoul of dusk for like $5 on mtgfanatic.

Ha ha very funny mofo! That's a TJ move by the way. Are you telling us you bought a set for $5?!

Here's the version I'm planning on playing...

G/W/r Pepperoni Pizza

1 Akroma, Angel of Wrath
4 Cloudthresher
1 Crovax, Ascendant Hero
3 Kitchen Finks
3 Oversoul of Dusk
3 Tarmogoyf
4 Wall of Roots

4 Skred or Firespout?
4 Harmonize
4 Into the North
2 Primal Command
2 Search for Tomorrow
3 Wrath of God

2 Arctic Flat
1 Highland Weald
1 Mouth of Ronom
5 Snow-Covered Forest
3 Snow-Covered Mountain
4 Snow-Covered Plains
4 Treetop Village
3 Wooded Bastion

SB: (needs work)
1 Detritivore
3 Gutteral Response or Firespout?
2 Loxodon Warhammer
1 Primal Command
3 Raping Canopy
1 Riftsweeper
3 Tormod's Crypt
1 Wrath of God

i may be working on a reveillark variant with green, like GWU or maybe 5-color with relic. supposedly, primal command is good with reveillark. we'll see.

Here's what I came up with, planning on FNMing this.

// Lands
4 [10E] Treetop Village
1 [CS] Boreal Shelf
2 [CS] Arctic Flats
4 [SHM] Reflecting Pool
2 [CS] Snow-Covered Forest
1 [CS] Mouth of Ronom
2 [CS] Snow-Covered Island
2 [CS] Snow-Covered Plains
3 [SHM] Mystic Gate
3 [SHM] Wooded Bastion
1 [CS] Highland Weald

// Creatures
4 [TSB] Wall of Roots
1 [SHM] Farhaven Elf
1 [LRW] Mirror Entity
2 [MOR] Chameleon Colossus
4 [LRW] Mulldrifter
2 [PLC] Body Double
4 [MOR] Reveillark
3 [PLC] Aven Riftwatcher
2 [TSB] Mystic Snake

// Spells
4 [CS] Into the North
2 [TSP] Momentary Blink
2 [LRW] Oblivion Ring
4 [LRW] Primal Command

// Sideboard
SB: 1 [PLC] Aven Riftwatcher
SB: 2 [FUT] Pact of Negation
SB: 4 [SHM] Raking Canopy
SB: 3 [TSB] Teferi's Moat
SB: 2 [PLC] Crovax, Ascendant Hero
SB: 2 [PLC] Detritivore
SB: 1 [CS] Snow-Covered Mountain

G/W/r Pepperoni Pizza

1 Akroma, Angel of Wrath ( she + Crovax=dead opposing Cloudthresher)
4 Cloudthresher
1 Crovax, Ascendant Hero
3 Kitchen Finks
3 Oversoul of Dusk
3 Tarmogoyf
4 Wall of Roots

4 Skred (testing very well!)
4 Harmonize
4 Into the North
3 Primal Command (2 was not enough)
3 Wrath of God (a must have)

2 Arctic Flat
1 Highland Weald
2 Mouth of Ronom (testing 2 because I always seemed to need 1 more)
6 Snow-Covered Forest
2 Snow-Covered Mountain
4 Snow-Covered Plains
4 Treetop Village
2 Wooded Bastion

SB:
2 Detritivore (he wins the Big Mana m/u)
3 Faerie Macabre
2 Loxodon Warhammer
1 Primal Command
4 Raping Canopy
2 Riftsweeper
1 Wrath of God

I really like this version.